Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/26/2001 01:03 PM House JUD

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HB 40 - REVOKE DRIVER'S LIC. FOR FATAL ACCIDENT                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1962                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  announced that the  next order of  business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO. 40,  "An Act  providing for the  revocation of                                                               
driving  privileges  by a  court  for  a  driver convicted  of  a                                                               
violation  of  traffic laws  in  connection  with a  fatal  motor                                                               
vehicle or  commercial motor vehicle accident;  amending Rules 43                                                               
and 43.1,  Alaska Rules of  Administration; and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1977                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEAN  J.   GUANELI,  Chief  Assistant  Attorney   General,  Legal                                                               
Services  Section-Juneau, Criminal  Division, Department  of Law,                                                               
presented HB  40 on behalf  of the  administration.  He  began by                                                               
acknowledging  that   the  legislature  is  focusing   a  lot  of                                                               
attention  this year  on  drunk driving  and  the problems  drunk                                                               
drivers cause  on Alaska's highways.   The ultimate  tragic event                                                               
that is  caused by a  drunk driver is the  death of someone.   He                                                               
added, however,  that a lot  of other types of  traffic accidents                                                               
result in death,  and the impact on the victims  is just as great                                                               
as  if the  other driver  were driving  drunk.   Yet, because  no                                                               
alcohol is  involved in these  types of incidents, there  is very                                                               
little  that  happens   to  the  other  driver   with  regard  to                                                               
penalties.   He  said that  most  of these  incidents occur  when                                                               
someone, either  because of inattentiveness or  by falling asleep                                                               
at  the  wheel, drives  off  the  road,  crosses the  median,  or                                                               
crosses  the  centerline,  and  thus crashes  into  a  person  or                                                               
another car and kills someone.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI went  on to say HB  40 was introduced as  a result of                                                               
complaints  that   in  cases  resulting  in   death  without  the                                                               
contributing  factor of  alcohol,  nothing was  being  done.   He                                                               
added that there was not a  large volume of these incidents, just                                                               
a half-dozen  or so,  per year.   He said that  HB 40  would take                                                               
away, for  a year,  the driver's  license of a  driver who,  as a                                                               
result of  violating a law,  is found by  a court to  have caused                                                               
the death  of someone.   Mr. Guaneli clarified that  "violating a                                                               
law"  could  mean  driving  off  the  road,  driving  across  the                                                               
centerline, or simple  driving too fast for conditions.   He said                                                               
that  in  circumstances  where  there is  a  true  nexus  between                                                               
violating  a law  and contributing  to the  death of  someone, it                                                               
would be appropriate to take away a driver's license for a year.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2098                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI pointed  out that in cases of  license revocation due                                                               
to  drunk driving,  there is  a period  of time  when the  person                                                               
cannot drive  at all, and  then during the  last 30 days  [of the                                                               
revocation period]  the person  may be  issued a  limited license                                                               
for the  purpose of  earning a  livelihood.   In contrast,  HB 40                                                               
proposes  that a  person  could  get a  limited  license for  the                                                               
entire period [of one year] if  he or she can convince the courts                                                               
that  his or  her livelihood  depends on  [the limited  license].                                                               
This provision would  allow a person to use a  limited license at                                                               
work, or to get to and from work,  but not at any other time.  He                                                               
said this  provision of HB  40 would limit the  economic hardship                                                               
placed  on  a  person  whose  license  has  been  revoked,  while                                                               
contributing to the protection of the public.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  explained that current  law sets out a  continuum of                                                               
mental states,  which are used  to convict people of  crimes, and                                                               
thus the  department is prevented  from acting on these  types of                                                               
cases.   For  instance,  if  a person  is  acting recklessly,  as                                                               
defined by  law, and  that person kills  someone while  driving a                                                               
car, the  offense is manslaughter.   If  a person is  acting with                                                               
criminal negligence, the offense  is criminal negligent homicide.                                                               
However, most of  these instances, as described in HB  40, do not                                                               
rise to the level whereby a  criminal prosecution can occur.  All                                                               
the department is  left with to prosecute are  violations such as                                                               
speeding or  going over the  centerline.  Regardless of  the fact                                                               
that these offenses  appear innocuous, someone has  died, and the                                                               
impact  on the  families  is just  as  severe as  if  it were  an                                                               
offense involving alcohol.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2182                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGAN commented  that he  was  glad to  see HB  40                                                               
because  he had  introduced similar  legislation four  years ago.                                                               
At  that  time,  the  department had  argued  that  the  "lesser-                                                               
included-offense  issue"  would   hinder  felony  convictions  of                                                               
manslaughter  associated with  drinking while  intoxicated (DWI).                                                               
Representative Ogan  inquired whether the  same issue would  be a                                                               
problem in HB 40.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI responded that HB  40 was simply a license revocation                                                               
provision.   To the extent  that current law already  covers some                                                               
conduct,  such  as going  over  the  centerline, the  problem  of                                                               
instructing the  jury on lesser-included offenses  always exists.                                                               
He said he thought that  because these were simply violations, if                                                               
the jury  were given  a choice  between manslaughter  and driving                                                               
over the  centerline, and the  circumstances were such  that they                                                               
fit manslaughter,  the jury would  choose manslaughter.   He said                                                               
he  had very  little  concern that  the jury  would  opt for  the                                                               
lesser  violation.   He  added that  HB 40  does  not create  new                                                               
offenses; instead,  it just addresses  penalties or  the remedial                                                               
action the  state wants to take,  as a result of  an offense that                                                               
is already under existing law.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2287                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN  confirmed that  his own legislation  [from a                                                               
previous session]  would have  created a new  offense.   He added                                                               
that  he  thought HB  40  was  very  important legislation.    He                                                               
described  a situation  that he  was  familiar with,  in which  a                                                               
person caused  the death of two  people and only received  a fine                                                               
of $300.  He also knew  of another situation in which the person,                                                               
while in the  course of running a red light,  killed someone, and                                                               
received only a $50 fine.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  expressed concern  over  the  issue of  criminal                                                               
conduct caused by a lack of  sleep.  He asked Representative Ogan                                                               
to further describe his legislation from four years ago.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN explained that he  had endeavored to create a                                                               
new type of crime for vehicular manslaughter.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2369                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.   GUANELI  further   explained  that   Representative  Ogan's                                                               
legislation  [would have]  created a  new crime  for what  is now                                                               
considered civil negligence.  He  added that another problem with                                                               
that piece of legislation was  that every car accident that might                                                               
result  in a  civil lawsuit  would be  preceded by  some form  of                                                               
criminal prosecution.   In  addition, civil  litigation involving                                                               
car  accidents  is  complicated,  and as  part  of  the  criminal                                                               
prosecution process would become problematic.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL   returned  to   the  issue   of  license                                                               
revocation.  He inquired whether  a person with a revoked license                                                               
[under the  provisions of HB 40]  could, at some point  after the                                                               
original hearing,  ask for a limited  license.  He also  asked if                                                               
it would involve another court hearing.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI replied that he did  not see any provision [in HB 40]                                                               
that would prohibit  the defendant from coming back  to the judge                                                               
in order  to demonstrate  a need  for a  limited license.   There                                                               
were not any  deadlines by which to demonstrate the  need, but it                                                               
would involve another  court hearing.  He also  explained that it                                                               
would have to be the court that originally revoked the license.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL commented  on  the  issue of  arraignment                                                               
proceedings.    He said  he  had  witnessed situations  in  which                                                               
people  who  had had  their  license  revoked had  an  additional                                                               
revocation  period imposed  on them,  but the  additional penalty                                                               
seemed inconsequential.  He asked  how additional penalties would                                                               
be handled under HB 40.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  responded that  under HB  40, revocations  would run                                                               
concurrently, rather  than consecutively.  He  supposed that this                                                               
was simply a  policy question for the legislature.   He had heard                                                               
concerns from members of the  legislature about cases of repeated                                                               
license revocation; he had also  noted skepticism from members of                                                               
the  legislature   regarding  the  appropriateness   of  repeated                                                               
license  revocation as  a course  of action.   As  a result,  the                                                               
department has been recommending  concurrent penalties.  He added                                                               
that he  thought that  with regard  to problem  drivers, multiple                                                               
license  revocations  have  little deterrent  effect,  and  other                                                               
steps need to be taken.  [Tape changed sides mid-sentence.]                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-25, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2526                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  [on  the  point  of  arranging  for  the                                                               
limited license] asked,  "Is that going to be  incumbent upon the                                                               
person charged  to bring  that in?"   He noted  that it  would be                                                               
required but wondered how it would be overseen.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI explained  that a person can come in  [to court] with                                                               
a  certificate of  employment, or  testify that  for purposes  of                                                               
employment, he or  she needs a limited license.   He said this is                                                               
a  standard  court  proceeding,  which  happens  frequently;  the                                                               
burden  is on  the driver  to come  forward and  present evidence                                                               
that  will  convince   the  judge  that  a   limited  license  is                                                               
necessary.   He added that for  the purposes of HB  40, there are                                                               
no  additional  aggravators;  it   is  a  "stand-alone"  type  of                                                               
situation,  and  [the  department]  already considers  it  to  be                                                               
aggravated because the fatality has occurred.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2480                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN inquired  whether HB 40 could  be expanded to                                                               
include  permanent  disability.   He  commented  that  oftentimes                                                               
there are very  serious consequences of these  types of accidents                                                               
even though a death does not occur.   He added that in some ways,                                                               
becoming a  paraplegic/quadriplegic or  suffering a  severe brain                                                               
injury is considered to be as bad as, or worse than, death.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI said  that the inclusion of  permanent disability had                                                               
not yet been considered.  The  complaints that had arisen were in                                                               
cases of  fatalities.   He acknowledged  it was  a good  point to                                                               
raise.  He  noted that there is a definition  of serious physical                                                               
injury under the  criminal code (AS 11.81.900(b))  that speaks to                                                               
prolonged  impairment  of  bodily functions  and  fairly  serious                                                               
injuries.  He  said he thought that perhaps there  should be some                                                               
sort of assessment regarding how  many such cases there were, and                                                               
what  kind of  impact  there  would be.    He  agreed that  cases                                                               
involving  [permanent disabilities]  present concerns  similar to                                                               
those in cases involving fatalities.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  noted that  he  had  more questions  but                                                               
would wait  until another  time to  ask them  in order  that more                                                               
public  testimony could  be  heard.   He  commented  that he  was                                                               
curious about [Section 1, subsection]  (e) and the application of                                                               
the court  rule change [Section  4].  He  said he wondered  if it                                                               
was adding the death of a person to the traffic laws.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2380                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVID S. CARTER  testified via teleconference and said  he was an                                                               
attorney practicing in the field  of personal injury; however, he                                                               
was speaking  as a private citizen.   He said he  wanted to speak                                                               
in  favor of  HB 40;  he believed  the concept,  in general,  was                                                               
appropriate.  As  he understands HB 40, it does  not really focus                                                               
on  the egregious  conduct  of drunk  drivers,  which is  already                                                               
covered  under another  statute,  but instead,  is  an effort  to                                                               
provide  some penalty  to people  who are  involved in  accidents                                                               
that cause death.   He said that typically, if  a person violated                                                               
a  traffic regulation  or was  held legally  responsible for  the                                                               
accident,  his  or  her insurance  company  would  settle  claims                                                               
arising out of  the accident.  He noted,  however, that sometimes                                                               
people do not have insurance coverage,  and HB 40 would fill that                                                               
gap and ensure that they feel the impact of their actions.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CARTER   suggested  that  HB  40   should  include  language                                                               
indicating that a  determination of whether something  did or did                                                               
not contribute to an accident would  not be admissible in a civil                                                               
action arising  out of the  accident.  In other  words, relatives                                                               
of a decedent should not be  foreclosed, in a later civil action,                                                               
by a  court determination that  the violation did  not contribute                                                               
to the  accident.   Conversely, if,  during a  license revocation                                                               
proceeding,  the   traffic  violation  was  determined   to  have                                                               
contributed  to  the accident,  that  information  should not  be                                                               
admissible  in a  later civil  action  because it  is a  somewhat                                                               
vague  finding.   Both sides  should be  entitled to  the present                                                               
civil system while stating their claims.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG asked  for further explanation from  Mr. Carter on                                                               
the point of determination of causation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARTER clarified that current  Alaska law, based on an Alaska                                                               
Supreme Court case called Scott  v. Robertson, says that unless a                                                             
violation is  punishable by jail  time, the fact that  a citation                                                               
is issued  at an accident  is not  admissible in a  civil action.                                                               
This also applies  to cases in which  a fine is paid  or a ticket                                                               
is contested and upheld.  He  said it would be hard to anticipate                                                               
what  would  happen  during a  license  revocation  hearing  with                                                               
regard  to protections  offered or  thoroughness of  traffic-law-                                                               
violation analysis.   He said he  did not want to  have something                                                               
found  during  a license  revocation  hearing  to be  binding  on                                                               
either party.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2140                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  said he interpreted  Mr. Carter's  explanation to                                                               
mean that the  Alaska Supreme Court has  determined, for example,                                                               
that should a person run a  red light, cause the death of another                                                               
person, and be convicted of running  the red light, the fact that                                                               
the person had run a red  light would be admissible, but the fact                                                               
that he or she had been  ticketed for running the red light would                                                               
not be admissible.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARTER  agreed with  that interpretation  and added  that the                                                               
person running  the red light  would also be found  negligent per                                                               
se, in other words, automatically  negligible for violating a red                                                               
light, in  a civil action.   He noted that anything  having to do                                                               
with  a citation  in a  [traffic]  light situation  would not  be                                                               
admissible in a later civil trial,  whether it was a red light or                                                               
a yellow light.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG asked if Mr. Carter  was suggesting that HB 40 was                                                               
drafted to allow culpability of  license revocation to enter into                                                               
civil  action, and  thus would  negate the  ruling of  the Alaska                                                               
Supreme Court.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CARTER replied  that it  was  perhaps just  an abundance  of                                                               
caution,  based  on  what  he  does  for a  living.    He  saw  a                                                               
possibility  that someone,  during  a civil  action, could  argue                                                               
that  due to  a  license revocation  determination, a  particular                                                               
issue had already been determined.   He added that a higher court                                                               
or  judge might  not agree  with that  argument.   He noted  that                                                               
current  statute   specifically  excludes  admission   of  police                                                               
reports in  determining civil cases  arising out of  an accident,                                                               
and along that  line, he suggested including  similar language in                                                               
HB 40.   He used  the following as  an example of  such language:                                                               
"The determination under this section  shall not be admissible in                                                               
any civil action arising out of the accident."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2029                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALBERT TAYLOR  testified via  teleconference.   He said  that his                                                               
only son was  killed by a driver who had  negligently crossed the                                                               
centerline and struck  the car his son  was in.  He  said that he                                                               
was  led to  believe  that driving  is a  privilege;  if a  motor                                                               
vehicle  operator   chooses  to  drive   irresponsibly,  breaking                                                               
traffic  laws  and  killing  others,  then  his  or  her  driving                                                               
privileges should  be taken away.   There are too many  deaths on                                                               
Alaska's roads and  highways brought on by negligence  due to the                                                               
actions of careless  and irresponsible drivers.  He  said that HB
40 would be  a step towards holding such  drivers accountable for                                                               
their actions.   Also, HB 40 would encourage other  drivers to be                                                               
more responsible.   He  asked that  the committee  pass HB  40 so                                                               
that Alaska's roads could be made safer for everyone.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  expressed condolences on behalf  of the committee                                                               
for the  loss of  Mr. Taylor's  son.  He  went on  to ask  if the                                                               
driver that had  crossed the centerline had been  drinking, or if                                                               
there were other contributing factors.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TAYLOR  said that  according  to  the accident  report,  the                                                               
testimony of  witnesses, and the individual's  own statement, the                                                               
driver was  just in hurry -  driving too fast -  and lost control                                                               
of the  vehicle.   He was  cited for  careless driving  and fined                                                               
$300.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1892                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARY  MARSHBURN,  Director,  Division of  Motor  Vehicles  (DMV),                                                               
Department of Administration, testified  via teleconference.  She                                                               
said that HB 40 had no  appreciable effect on the DMV because the                                                               
volume  of incidents  is  relatively  small.   Under  HB 40,  the                                                               
revocation would  be court-ordered  and would  not have  a fiscal                                                               
impact  on the  DMV.   Ms. Marshburn  explained that  it normally                                                               
takes   approximately   30-45   days   to   receive   a   court's                                                               
determination of  revocation; the delay  is due to the  fact that                                                               
there is not an electronic notification system set up.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER  inquired  how  a person  got  his  or  her                                                               
license back after the revocation period had ended.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  responded that according to  her interpretation of                                                               
HB  40,  when the  revocation  period  has  expired, and  if  the                                                               
individual is eligible for "re-licensing",  he or she would pay a                                                               
reinstatement fee; obtain special  risk premium insurance (SR22),                                                               
which has  to remain  in effect  for three  years; take  a vision                                                               
test; take a knowledge test; and  pay a limited license fee.  She                                                               
added that  with regard to  the limited license, the  court could                                                               
impose any  restrictions it deemed necessary  for re-licensing of                                                               
the individual.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER  asked  if  a  driver's  test  was  also  a                                                               
requirement for re-licensure.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARSHBURN   said  it  would  depend   on  the  circumstances                                                               
surrounding the revocation.  For  instance, if someone suffered a                                                               
seizure, or  had another medical condition,  which was determined                                                               
to have  contributed to the  revocation, then more than  just the                                                               
standard revocation  process would be  brought to bear,  and that                                                               
could include  the administration  of a skills  test.   She added                                                               
that  everyone, at  one  time  or another,  has  driven a  little                                                               
faster  than  was safe  for  the  conditions,  but that  was  not                                                               
necessarily something  that could be  remedied by a  skills test.                                                               
She said the  foregoing was the long answer; the  short answer to                                                               
Representative  Meyer's question  was, "It  would depend  on what                                                               
led to the incident."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1706                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER said  he supported HB 40  because if someone                                                               
dies  because of  careless driving,  there should  be punishment.                                                               
He  added,  however,  that  if there  is  an  underlying  driving                                                               
problem, then license revocation  might not correct that problem;                                                               
at the  end of the  revocation period,  the person would  be back                                                               
causing the same  mistakes again.  He said that  he would like to                                                               
see  a  little  more  attention given  to  correcting  a  driving                                                               
deficiency, if  possible.   He also  questioned what  the penalty                                                               
would be  if someone with  a revoked license continues  to drive,                                                               
as he has seen happen with DWI offenders.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  responded that it  depends on what  the individual                                                               
was  picked  up for  originally.    Normally,  if the  charge  is                                                               
driving  with  a  revoked or  suspended  license,  an  additional                                                               
revocation  period  is  administered  in addition  to  any  court                                                               
penalties.  She noted that  Mr. Guaneli would have more specifics                                                               
on the court penalties.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  sought  assurance  that  any  underlying                                                               
driving problems would be corrected  before a license is returned                                                               
to someone who caused a death.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARSHBURN  said she  thought  it  would  be taken  care  of.                                                               
First,  the  state  has  the   latitude  to  examine  a  specific                                                               
situation if there  is any indication in the  officer's report or                                                               
the  court record  that  that  kind of  a  problem  exists.   And                                                               
Second, when there is a  traffic fatality, both the investigating                                                               
officer and  the court take  a thorough  look at all  the details                                                               
during  the investigation  and  the court  case.   Ultimately,  a                                                               
reason has  to be found which  contributed to the fatality.   She                                                               
again said  that the  court has  the latitude  to do  whatever it                                                               
deems necessary in these types of situations.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1531                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN,  at the request  of Chair Rokeberg,  explained the                                                               
difference between a suspension and  a revocation.  She said that                                                               
the difference usually  relates back to the offense  and the time                                                               
period in which  it occurred.  Minor point  violations can result                                                               
in suspension,  but if too  many point violations occur  within a                                                               
certain amount of  time, then a revocation could be  imposed.  In                                                               
cases  of  serious  offenses  - for  example,  in  all  instances                                                               
involving DWI - it is a revocation, not just a suspension.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  commented that Representative Ogan  had raised an                                                               
interesting  point  regarding  serious  physical  injuries.    On                                                               
another  point,  Chair  Rokeberg   asked  Mr.  Guaneli  if,  when                                                               
considering HB  40 and the  issues it raised, the  department had                                                               
also considered the  concept of a criminal  definition of falling                                                               
asleep while driving.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI said that the  department had not considered creating                                                               
a criminal definition of falling asleep while driving.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG noted  his interest was due to  the growing amount                                                               
of fatalities  caused by driving  while fatigued.  He  added that                                                               
he thought it was becoming as rampant a problem as DWI.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN commented  that the use of  cell phones while                                                               
driving  was  also  becoming a  contributing  factor  in  traffic                                                               
fatalities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1389                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG announced  that the public hearing on  HB 40 would                                                               
be  kept   open,  and  he   encouraged  Representative   Ogan  to                                                               
investigate some of  the aforementioned issues.  [HB  40 was held                                                               
over.]                                                                                                                          

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